Mathias Döpfner, the CEO of Insider’s parent company, Axel Springer, recently met with Tesla CEO Elon Musk for an interview.

The interview took place at Tesla’s factory in Fremont, California, and the men discussed Russia’s invasion into Ukraine, space travel, and what makes human beings special.

You can read a transcript of the conversation below.

Mathias Döpfner: Before we talk about the future, let’s look at the present. There is war in Europe. If you see the horrible images of Putin’s troops invading Ukraine, killing people. What are your thoughts?

Elon Musk: It is surprising to see that in this day and age. I thought we had sort of moved beyond such things for the most part. It is concerning. If you can get away with it, then this will be a message to other countries that perhaps they could get away…

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